Sir Gus Nossal AC Kt CBE, Emeritus Professor, Melbourne University
Sir Gus was born in Bad Ischl, Austria in 1931 and came to Australia with
his family in 1939. He studied Medicine at The University of Sydney and,
after two years' residency at Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, Sir Gus moved
to Melbourne to work as a Research Fellow at The Walter and Eliza Hall Institute
(the Hall Institute). Sir Gus was knighted in 1977 and made a Companion
of the Order of Australia in 1989. He has won many awards both locally and
overseas for his work. Over the years, Sir Gus has served on dozens of community
committees and Boards, was deputy chairman of the Council for Aboriginal
Reconciliation and was named as Australian of the Year in 2000 for his achievements
in the fields of science and the community.
Our Community: Who do you
consider to be the three great leaders of our time? And Why?
Sir Gustav Nossal:
- Nelson Mandela - he demonstrated the triumph of the human spirit
over adversity and oppression, and he highlights the dignity
present in every person.
- James D Watson - Watson and Crick's discovery of the structure of
DNA has revolutionised biology and medicine. Yet we are only
at the beginning of the understanding of the human body and untold
medical benefits are still in store.
- Dame Joan Sutherland - men and women do not live by bread alone!
The arts and the humanities are ineffably important and I chose
Dame Joan as symbolising what is best in Australia in these fields.
Our Community: What are the three attributes
you would consider to be essential to a leader? And Why?
Sir Gustav Nossal:
- Integrity - no matter what
the field of endeavour, the capacity to espouse values, stick to them
and to be recognised for so doing are essential qualities.
- Vision - a leader must know
where he or she is going and vision, in that sense, is a mixture of imagination
and creative intelligence. Only if a person knows where he or she
is going will others wish to follow.
- Determination - leadership
almost always requires effort. An imaginative person without drive
can inspire others in flashes, but for a leader to be successful
in the long run it is important to sustain effort. This means drive
and determination.
Our Community: What are the three greatest
barriers to new leaders emerging in Australia?
Sir Gustav Nossal:
- 1. The Tall Poppy syndrome - it is part of our wonderful larrikin
tradition to cut down Tall Poppies. People who are too ambitious (except
in sport) are looked at askance. Very hard striving at school work,
for example, is not regarded as cool. Let's try to preserve the egalitarian
tradition while giving more encouragement to the intellectual superstars!
- Our geographical remoteness - the great leaders all seek to play
on a world stage, and this is difficult when we are so far away
from the other great centres of learning, particularly those of the
Judaeo-Christian tradition. That is why we have to struggle just a
little bit harder to get noticed.
- Our disrespect for politicians - unquestionably, Australia badly
needs great political leaders but this is hard to achieve if politicians
as a class are reviled and despised. There is, of course, a chicken
and an egg situation here but we must try to get more good young people
into politics.
Our Community: What advice would you
give to a potential leader to take them to the next stage?
Sir Gustav Nossal: Believe in yourself, work hard, avoid undue
arrogance, remember to learn something every single day.
Our Community: Nature/nurture - are leaders
born or bred?
Sir Gustav Nossal: There is certainly
a significant genetic component to leadership but unquestionably education,
the home environment and encouragement by peers also make a vital contribution.
In this as in so many fields the answer is one hundred per cent nature
and one hundred percent nurture!
Our Community: What do you consider to
be the three top leadership issues facing the nation?
Sir Gustav Nossal:
- Not enough talent within politics.
- Insufficient generosity both at the personal and the national level
- we need more overseas aid as aproportion of GDP, more philanthropic
giving by individuals and corporations.
- Independence in culture and policies. There is too much of a tendency
to copy the United States and we are at risk of becoming a derivative
society. This must not happen as in fact robust individualism has
served as very well and there is the possibility of creating a uniquely
good society - if we have the strength and the will.
Our Community: What insights have you
gained personally on your leadership journey?
Sir Gustav Nossal: I have learnt
that it is possible to achieve at an international level from an Australian
base. I have learnt that it is important to be generous to colleagues;
very few achievements are made alone and so much depends on collaborators,
networks and people one has influenced. I have learnt that it is better
to praise than to punish; my leadership style believes that you get the
best out of people when they feel cherished and sustained. I have learnt
that it is better not to be arrogant, vain and proud; if you push yourself
too high you will encourage others to try and pull you down!
Our Community: Who have been your own
leadership mentors and how did they assist in developing your own leadership
style?
Sir Gustav Nossal:
- Sir Macfarlane Burnet, my
scientific mentor and teacher, who recognised certain qualities in
me and encouraged me to address big problems in science and to have
confidence in my ability to solve them.
- Sir Colin Syme, distinguished
lawyer and businessman, who served as Chairman of The Walter and Eliza
Hall Institute of Medical Research Board and helped to introduce me
to the commercial and financial world of Australia, to broaden my
outlook and to remember the crucial importance of absolute integrity.
- Dr Joshua Lederberg, my
scientific collaborator at a very young age, this American Nobel Laureate
had a brilliantly fast mind, an amazing memory and a huge grasp of
the broad new thrusts in biology. He lived completely at the cutting
edge, was not afraid of high technology and introduced me to many
of the scientific leaders of the United States, thus preventing me
from thinking parochially.
Published October 2003
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